Terence Davies on His Siegfried Sassoon Biopic ‘Benediction’ and Why He Hates Jane Austen Films

Are most artists lonely?
Do you watch your own movies after you finish them?
There's nothing interesting in dramatizing that. The narrative line of his life is strong, so you don't have to show the writing. You hear the poetry, and that's enough.
What do you think of Siegfried Sassoon as a poet?
The characters don't seem particularly closeted despite the fact that this took place at a time when homosexuality was criminalized. How would you describe their relationship with their sexuality?
Did you feel a kinship with him?
Do you prefer your films experienced streamed or seen on the big screen?
"Why do you hate the modern world so?" Because it's younger than I am. She's another outsider and she didn't even get recognized in her lifetime. That line is all me. But there are parts of "Benediction" that are all me. I did, but I felt a kinship to Emily Dickinson too. In a sense, the Emily Dickinson film is my most autobiographical.
What kind of historical research do you do?
I think the war poetry endures. Some of that later poetry is heartbreaking and deals with loneliness and very often it's conveyed in just two stanzas. They're wonderful because they're diluted down to the bare essentials.
Not at all. Sometimes that's used against you, but that's the risk you have to take. The one thing that unites artists is that you have to be truthful. A lot of them are very jolly.
That touched me enormously. He was gay, obviously, and he was always falling in love with the wrong man. World War I made a great, great poet. You have to find it yourself. I wasn't aware of it at first, but as I got older I realized I'm not a participant in life. So instead I concentrated on the things in his character that I responded to, and what I found is that he was always searching for redemption. And when you're an outsider, you're usually ignored. I think cricket is ball-numbingly tedious. And I don't agree with bloodsports. I listened to everything because I'm the youngest of 10. He got married like a lot of gay men did during that period. None of us can find redemption in other people or in other things. He loved cricket, but I didn't want to touch that. All my films are about outsiders because I'm an outsider. At the end of his life, I think he was actually quite unfulfilled. There are several parts of his character that I didn't want to touch. Hunting, I think, is wrong, so I avoided any of that even though he liked it. And then he turned Catholic, which astonished me because I'm a lapsed Catholic. I observe it.
Do you need to have that kind of identification when you make a movie?
Terence Davies, that most meticulous of auteurs, returns to the Toronto International Film Festival with "Benediction," a lush biopic of Siegfried Sassoon, the poet and decorated veteran who became an outspoken critic of World War I. It's another beautifully composed portrait of genius, repression and loneliness, and a film that compliments his last cinematic outing "A Quiet Passion," the acclaimed 2016 biopic about Emily Dickinson. The film should be catnip for Davies admirers.
I don't think he even knew what he was searching for, which makes it feel even crueler in some way. I prayed like anything, and no succor came. In his case, I think he wanted the solace of God, which I wanted too. Worthy of what, I don't know. Where redemption is concerned, it wasn't one specific thing. It was completely worthless and it made me feel worthless. I think he wanted to feel worthy. Those things you mentioned would have been eased had he found redemption, but redemption is not about redeeming guilt.
They're privileged, so they can get away with it. That's where the privilege comes in. A lot of the upper-middle and upper class were bisexual or homosexual. Siegfried Sassoon knew literally everyone in society. When he was wounded, Winston Churchill and his mother came.
I do very little rehearsal, and I do very few takes. When you're shooting, you have to feel the moment. It's like when an actor auditions, as soon as I see them, I don't know how, but I know they're right for a part. You have to feel every single shot. After seven takes, I get bored. You have to capture an instant — that moment when the actor is still fresh. It's something instant and felt. I get a feeling in my stomach. It becomes repetitive. It's not just reading all the material that I can, I also watch films from that period like "Letters From an Unknown Woman" or "Kind Hearts and Coronets." It's something vague. You have to know when not to direct, and that's very important. You just feel it.
The few times I have watched them, all the faults rise to the surface. You remember how it rained all day or was freezing cold or how the bloody horse wouldn't move where you needed him to move. At film festivals, you have to watch your work and it's unbelievable agony. The audience is going to be in a coma.” /> If I want to remember bits of a film, I run them in my head. I know what the shots were, but I can't stand to sit there. You sit there and think this shot goes on forever. No.
12, Davies spoke with Variety about what draws him to a project, his hatred for films based on Jane Austen novels and his general amazement that he has managed to build an audience thanks to his uncompromising indies such as "The Deep Blue Sea," "The Long Day Closes," and, now, "Benediction." "Benediction" stars Jack Lowden as Sassoon and charts his tortured romances with male lovers such as the screen star Ivor Novello, his break with the ruling class over the conduct of the war, as while as his later embrace of religion. Ahead of the film's debut on Sept.
Is cinema closer to poetry or prose?
They are paralyzingly boring. Once you start making something, it's impossible not to see the structure. You just sit there calling out the shots — close up, close up, back to wide, and now another close-up or over-the-shoulder shot. It's so bad, you think, "I can't watch this." Jane Austen films, I refuse to watch. When you make films, you become aware of the music, the acting, where the camera is, and in British films, there's a lot of the same people in all of them, so you just see a collection of mannerisms. There's a bit more sex to them. The Brontes are much better. Personally, I don't go to the cinema anymore. I want my films to be seen in cinemas, but I never really thought I'd even have any audience for them, certainly not one abroad.
The things around them have to be true to the period. In "Benediction," Siegfried calls [his lover] Ivor Novello a cad, because that's what he would have thought. If I respond to something, I know I can make a film about it. You have to have a certain aesthetic distance from the material. No, it's more vague. What I do know about Siegfried Sassoon or Emily Dickinson is that I identify so much with them that I come to know how they talk. What they say is as important as the way they say it. The thing about a lot of period films, especially in Britain, is that they speak in a modern language and it's ridiculous. That's what you said in those days. You cannot have someone in 1815 saying, 'Are we good to go?' Because they did not say that in 1815. It's the tone that's equally important.
It's closest to music.
Why did you want to make a movie about Siegfried Sassoon?
Was that a conscious decision? For a film about a writer, there's very little writing in the movie.
Why was he searching for atonement? His sexuality? What did he want to be redeemed for? His experiences in the war?

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